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Podcast: WNBA star and Australian Opal Tully Bevilaqua

In this instalment of the Siren podcast, Kasey Symons speaks to WNBA star and Australian Opal Tully Bevilaqua about her new project with Lauren Jackson.

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Alison Smirnoff  

Welcome to another Siren Sport podcast. On this episode, our resident baller and Siren co-founder Kasey Symons chats to former Australian Opal and 2004 WNBA championship player Tully Bevilaqua. These days, Tully lives in the United States and has recently started her own podcast called ‘Laid Back’ with the GOAT of Australian basketball herself, Lauren Jackson. So sit back, relax and enjoy Kasey’s chat with Tully. 

Kasey Symons  

Hey Tully. 

Tully Bevilaqua  

How we doing matey?

Kasey Symons  

Good. How are you? You’re doing well, I see. You’ve got the red wine going. And after a long day,

Tully Bevilaqua  

I tell you, sometimes it’s just kind of therapy to just sit in silence and have a glass of wine in the evening to relax. But even better, getting to talk to another Aussie and getting to have a glass of wine at the same time. I hit the jackpot.

Kasey Symons  

Because it’s funny, and we’ll talk more about it a little bit later. But I mean, the reason I wanted to reach out to you, I mean, it’s been a while I’ve wanted to reach out to you. We’ve been connecting on Twitter and chatting. And I love your insights from what you’re doing over in the States with basketball. And also you’re just hilarious. But you’ve started this awesome new podcast with Lauren Jackson. And it’s funny you say just like having a drink and listening to like another Aussie. I just felt like all I wanted to do listening to that podcast is sit and have a drink and listen to two like Aussie women talk about like basketball, but with the American context as well. Like, it was so cool. And I love what you said on the podcast that you’re, I mean, it’s called Laid Back, which is great. We love those style chats. It’s not too formal. It’s just you telling yarns and sharing stories. And it just reminded me of just like, being back at like old school footy clubs where you listen to all these, players share their stories, but in a much, much better way.

Tully Bevilaqua  

I know, I remember when my dad would tell his old sports stories, he couldn’t even get through half the story and he’d start laughing himself. Then you start laughing at him laughing at himself. And then you didn’t get the rest of the story because it was just, you know, laughing. But thank you. Yeah, like, that’s just Loz and I. That’s been our friendship just laid back. And you know, that we just wanted, like, to have that on the couch kind of conversation. Just telling stories that not many people – I mean, obviously the stories that we can tell – just, you know, fun stories that they wouldn’t have heard because, you know, today, you know, it’s all social media and so, yeah, everything gets out there. But when we were playing, there was not you know, Twitter wasn’t really being engaged in like it is now. I can’t exactly remember what years it all, kind of, they all kind of founded but we weren’t doing any of the social media stuff. So it’s just kind of like sharing our stories now word of mouth. And it’s also fun to just catch up with our former teammates, our group and other past, you know, players. And so it’s kind of laid back with LJ and Tully just kind of like shooting the shit kind of thing. You know, just as two Aussies do, having a drink. And yeah, it’s so much fun. It’s so much fun. And it’s, I’ve miss, you know, I just miss the connection with, you know, my besties and my friends and that, because we’re all around the world now. So this is kind of one of the main ways we can stay connected.

Kasey Symons  

Yeah, absolutely. And it’s a brilliant way to do it because that’s what I felt listening to the show. And I mean, like, we’ll just dive into this podcast, because I’ve got a lot of questions, a lot of things to say about it. Because it was fantastic. And I mean this, I don’t want this to come across as disrespectful because I want to say, it doesn’t sound too planned or formatted or structured and I don’t mean that as an insult and I love that. It was like being a fly on the wall in the conversation, these amazing people and just getting to hear like, what a conversation would be like, with you.

Tully Bevilaqua  

Like you can’t put Loz in a box. So, you know, you just got to let her go. And same with the rest of us. But that’s why it works. You know, because it’s not structured, obviously it’s edited. But it’s not structured. And it’s just, you get a feel for our personalities as well. So, yeah, I think that’s the big part of us is kind of just, you know, some people do have that. But you know, not everybody gets to kind of like get a piece of our personalities and kind of connect with us in that way.

Kasey Symons  

Yeah, you so right. And I think it goes back to what you’re saying about we didn’t have that kind of access to women as athletes for such a long period of time because they were essentially buried away out of public eye. They weren’t visible in the media. We didn’t, as fans, get to connect with you all in that way that we do get to do now on social media because we can, like, hit you up with a funny GIF and say you’re amazing, I’m such a fan. And a lot of times, women athletes respond, because yeah, they’re amazing in that way. They know how important that engagement is. And they get to build their fan bases that way, which is so cool. I mean, I feel like that’s how we’ve kind of struck a bit of relationship, just essentially through Twitter and connecting with different people and finding each other that way. And that wouldn’t have happened a few years ago. 

Tully Bevilaqua  

No, I mean, it is mind blowing. Like, seriously, I’m like, I’ve only really been on Twitter seriously, for like the last six months, I want to say, seriously, kind of. And I’m just blown away at the amount of people that, let me just take the WNBA for example, that are breaking down, every single player in the WNBA, doing stats, doing pods, just influencers of the game that I had no idea happened behind the scenes, like, to the extent that it is. And obviously, it’s more now because the League has just exploded, and there’s just so much hype about it, and more people are getting on board, because it’s such a great product. Like it is mind blowing. And I’m like, I’m not tech savvy at all. So I’m like, every now and then I’ll have to like on the side Google a word or Google? Like an abbreviation. I’m like, what does that mean? I mean, I know L-O-L and all those ones, but you know, then you get these five letter ones. I’m like shit what does that mean? You know, gotta try and stay cool, you know. But it’s just mind blowing the connections. And I mean, we now have mutual, Twitter, friends, and that ourselves all around the world. And you know, hopefully one day we’ll all get to be in a place to actually meet face to face because I think that would be really cool.

Kasey Symons  

100 percent, and it was funny when Siren sort of first launched just a little over a year ago. One of our sort of mutual Twitter connections in Kelsey Trainor was one of the first people who really reached out and that was surreal, because I have this American lawyer over in New York aware of what we’re doing just because of who we’re sort of connected with online and all being really passionate about women’s sport and reaching out to us. She was just incredible. And before the pandemic really hit, I was actually planning to go over to the US for a conference. And I remember DM-ing, Kelsey, like, any chance that we could potentially catch up? If I come to New York? She’s like, Yeah, let’s do it. And now I’m just like waiting for that day. So hopefully, we can all do that together. 

Tully Bevilaqua  

Yeah, I seriously swear there is some Australian in her heritage or something, because I feel like she has very much the characteristics of an Aussie. But no, the same, Kelsey and I just, you know, through social media just started engaging. And then a friendship was formed from that, and which has now led to her being our host of the Laid Back with LJ and Tully. Like, it’s crazy. But no, I hope you eventually get to come over here. And I hope to eventually get back home. And we can all make that happen.

Kasey Symons  

Absolutely. It’s just counting the days, I suppose. And hopefully we’re on the right track. but

Tully Bevilaqua  

But I also just gotta say that yourself and Kelsey, just two like, so passionate people. And the stuff that you write, and it’s just so important to get out there. The messages that you’re trying to get and, and I remember, I think Kelsey was actually quoted, one of her tweets, I think, was quoted in an Australian article. And so yeah, it’s pretty cool how like, all the connections came around.

Kasey Symons  

Yeah, it’s really amazing. Um, and there’s a few little, I guess, like women in sport groups now because I think of the power of social media, which we mentioned, and I think perhaps this, I know, I don’t want to call it like another wave of feminism, but it seems to be this new kind of approach and thought that I think a lot of women in this space are going through where we’re not buying into this idea of we need to compete with each other anymore for this one spot at the table, or this one byline or this one role as a journalist at a publication. We can go out and do our own things and we don’t have to go up against each other. We’re stronger together. And we’re reaching out and building these amazing communities. And that’s been a real change, I think in the last few years. And that’s been incredibly amazing. And that’s where you see these things because we start to reach out and support each other. And when these stories come up, we’re like, yeah, go reach out to Kelsey. She knows this stuff. Or let’s bring in some experts. I’m not an expert in this, but I know this person and this person. Or, I got to do a radio show last week, so how about we talk to this person. We’re not all just like fighting over this one thing, which we’d never should have been anyway but the patriarchy tells you, you need to do that.

Tully Bevilaqua  

Yeah. And that is now because of just the consistent passion from females to keep persisting to open up the doors more for females. And so now there’s more opportunities. So there’s not just one job that 20 females are going for. And that’s when I think that negativity, you know, because it’s competitive. And so now, there’s multiple doors and multiple opportunities for so many more now. And so now you’re supporting one another, and you’re lifting one another. And I think that’s the beauty, you know, seeing that displayed right now, is everybody just lifting each other up and supporting each other, because there are way more opportunities now, because of all the grass movements that, you know, started a while back. And yeah, it’s starting to see the fruition now.

Kasey Symons  

Hmm. And it’s so, like, lovely. That’s probably a really, like, Pollyanna way to say it. But it’s just really lovely to see that level of support and to feel supported, especially, you know, we talk about social media a lot now with getting our stories out there. And it’s such a powerful tool, but it can also be quite a negative space, and quite toxic. And I know a couple of times, I’ve spoken to probably mostly other men in the sports space, who will ask me about, like, you know, is there anything positive for women in sport on social media, because it’s so hard, because they see all the comments and the negativity. And I think like, most of the time, I will say that there’s definitely positives. I mean, I wouldn’t be able to do what I’m doing without social media. But also, I will point to yourself and Kelsey as great examples of what social media can do just having, like you two be at the forefront of this positivity and sharing everyone’s work. Like, you’re such an ally to so many people in this space. And, I mean, I remember the first time like, you retweeted one of my stories Tully, and I was just like, Oh, my God, a WNBA champion…

Tully Bevilaqua  

It’s weird for me to hear that, like, you know. But you’re always gonna get haters, it doesn’t matter what you’re doing, what industry you’re in, you know, male or female, you’re always gonna have your haters. And so you do need a thick skin to block that out, because you just got to tell yourself that for every one, you’ve got, you know, 100 that will have your back and are there supporting you. So don’t let that one pull you down. Because there’s way more positive out there. So and, you know, with some of them, some of the negatives, you know, people writing comments, you’ve got to engage them in conversation and find out why. You know, it’s like, okay, well, let’s have a conversation about why you think that and then let’s exchange comments and see if we can kind of come to a common ground, or maybe you can learn something from me or, and vice versa. So, you know, communication is extremely important. But, you know, you hit the nail on the head, when you said that social media is a great thing, but it also can be a toxic thing, and you have to choose your words, obviously wisely when you put stuff out there.

Kasey Symons  

That’s a really productive way to think about it too is trying to engage in those conversations. Because I think once you do, try and have the conversation, sometimes that can be really beneficial. And I think you know, pretty quickly if that conversation is going to go nowhere. Does that come into, like, a lot of what you’re doing right now, because you’re doing a lot of commentary, which I mean, I can’t even imagine doing. That’s such an amazing skill and you do it so well. How do you feel sort of being in that space now transitioning from like the athlete life going into the media role and being in such a public facing league like the WNBA as well?

Tully Bevilaqua  

Well, you know, I enjoy engaging with people anyway. So that never really bothered me so much. And then when I you know, I did a lot of stuff in Australia when I was with the Perth Breakers and I was kind of at the forefront, there handling a lot of the media interviews. So I’ve always enjoyed it. Obviously this kind of on a bigger scale. But it’s fun. I mean, you know, people either love you or hate you. At the end of the day my mum gave me two thumbs up so that’s all that matters to me. 

Kasey Symons  

I saw that text you posted that was so great. 

Tully Bevilaqua  

Yeah, I think here the Americans are all like just tuning in trying to work out what accent I’ve got because it’s a tweener. It’s like a tweener accent now. It’s not like full blown Australian. But I still sound like I’m some kind of foreigner obviously and I throw the Ois in there and so I can distract from sometimes when I do, you know, maybe fumble the ball but you know for the most part I’m just talking about what’s going on out there, trying to tell a few stories about some of the players that I might know out there, or I’ve played with still that are still playing. So it’s colour commentary. And just describing what’s going on there from my perspective, and what I think should be done and what’s not being done. And, you know, it’s got me a few gigs along the way, and I’m still rolling with it. So I mustn’t be all that bad. 

Kasey Symons  

I think you’re doing okay. 

Tully Bevilaqua  

I did the game the other day was nationwide. And so it was fine, because it was New York versus the Indiana Fever. And I did give Kelsey a plug on the commentary. Well, I think it blew up. I think her phone blew up from all her friends telling her she got plugged. And that’s really cool because, you know, like, it got to acknowledge people behind the scenes that are doing good for the league. So I can do that kind of stuff as well.

Kasey Symons  

I love that. I think that’s the fun part about having a platform sometimes is just to be able to shout out to the other people who are in this space help build their platforms. Because, you know, like, what we were saying earlier, the more and more times you do that, like this groundswell is happening and pretty cool to see, so it’s awesome that you’re doing that.

Tully Bevilaqua  

And it’s fun. It’s fun for me, like, you know, they say you gotta love what to do. And I do, it keeps me involved in the sport, I get to see the Australian players that, you know, come through with the teams. It’s unfortunate right now, because you can’t just go out and have a meal with them a drink with them afterwards, like we used to. But it keeps me connected. And you know, I can’t be totally away from the game. So yeah, it’s a good fit right now.

Kasey Symons  

That’s great. So what have you been seeing since the start of the WNBA, because it’s just kicked off. It’s so exciting to see it back. I mean, you just mentioned that you called the New York game, so you got to see like, Sabrina Ionescu which is so exciting seeing her come back this season. God, that buzzer beater!

Tully Bevilaqua  

Yeah. And then, I mean, you had, it was just ironic that you had her with that buzzer beater. And then later on, he had Diana, with her buzzer beater later on in the night for Phoenix. Then there was a capture where they had them both side by side, you know, in their shot motion. And it’s like that’s baby Diana right there, you know. But Sabrina, just, there are so many players in the league that, you know, like separate themselves, because they want the ball in their hands at the end of the game. And she’s one of them. And she’s only in, I still say it’s her first year, she only played three games last year. So to me, she’s still a rookie in the league. But to have that confidence is amazing. 

Kasey Symons  

And it’s so exciting to watch as a fan. 

Tully Bevilaqua  

Oh, my God. And you know, it’s the 25th season of the league. So there’s so much hype. You’ve come off a season where obviously they had the bubble and just the WNBA did a phenomenal job of handling the situation with the bubble and COVID. The players have just come off a lot of advocacy work, social justice movements, were really hyped up by the the players of the WNBA obviously leading up to the election and stuff. And obviously Governor Warnock being elected and the players having a big push, obviously, and getting everyone on board to get behind him. In Atlanta, Georgia. I mean, the players are getting it done on and off the court. And that’s I think, the great thing to see is that, yes, they are basketball players, but they’re human beings as well. And they can be unbelievable positive role models, and use their platform for good.

Kasey Symons  

Yeah, it’s so powerful. And I think to see athletes like that doing that kind of work has had ripple effects.

Tully Bevilaqua  

And, and, and keep the product on the court extremely high as well. Like it’s not impacting that at all. I mean, Candace Parker in Chicago. I mean, Seattle was still, I mean, Sue Bird at 40 is just looking like she’s playing like a 25 year old still. I mean, it’s just exciting.

Kasey Symons  

Yeah, it’s so exciting. And it’s really, it’s just inspiring to watch, because I think that’s such a powerful message to say that, like you said, one doesn’t take away from the other. Putting effort into you’re just giving some kind of support or advocacy or putting your voice to something doesn’t have to take away from your performance. But then you’ve got these amazing role models now that you can look to, to sell that message because before I’m sure some athletes really struggled with that because there wasn’t role models that were so highly visible to point to. So, the power of that is going to echo through so many different codes and sports.

Tully Bevilaqua  

Yeah. And it covers so many different areas as well. I mean, you got LGBT, Black Lives Matter. And I mean, there’s just so much that, you know, just getting behind and being positive role models for. Which is awesome for me because I have two kids. My son is 10, my daughter’s eight years of age. My daughter’s biracial so, for me, it’s awesome to have her see these role models, and my son has grown up around the WNBA as well. So he looks up to Sue Bird and, you know, he still thinks she’s the best player in the world. Doesn’t give me the credit for that. But, you know, it’s just so important for our children to see this. And yeah, I love it. So they’re doing good. If they, my kids are seeing it now and I’m not playing, but they’re seeing it and it’s impacting them in a positive way, they’re doing the right thing.

Kasey Symons  

Yeah, that’s so cool. It’s so cool to see your kids like on that sort of first hand basis connect with that as well. That must be so special.

Tully Bevilaqua  

They, I don’t think they really understand how privileged they have been to be able to get down there with the players, have their photos with them in the locker rooms. You know, trying to explain to them that’s a big deal. So, I guess slowly kicking in but yeah, They’ve been very fortunate. 

Kasey Symons  

I’m so jealous of your children? 

Tully Bevilaqua  

You can take then for a few weeks if you want?  

Kasey Symons  

When I say jealous of, I mean, I want to be them, I don’t want to look after them. We’ll see if there’s a trade off. I might babysit your kids if you can get me like an introduction to Sue Bird. We’ll see.

Tully Bevilaqua  

All right, if Sue Bird sees this, watch out, I’m gonna hit you up. Free babysitter for a couple of weeks, that’s worth gold.

Kasey Symons  

Oh my gosh. It is on. Before we wrap up too. So I wanted to talk a bit just on the WNBA as well, before we get off topic, because I’m known to do that. But what is your, I guess, I always hate doing this to people when I ask for predictions and things because it’s so hard. But just seeing the first few games and what you’ve been able to see in your role like commentating as well. What do you think? Who should we be watching? Who do you think is going to maybe take it out this year? How different is it this season from coming out of that bubble? That we just mentioned? What are the key things that we should be keeping our eye on this year?

Tully Bevilaqua  

I think right now, Seattle’s still gonna be up there. They have come out the gates looking really good. They had a good win against the Aces the other night. Obviously, they played against in the championship last year. Yeah, they’re looking good. Chicago looked extremely good against Washington. I mean, you’ve got to remember, some of these teams don’t have all the pieces to the puzzle back yet. They’re still waiting on some major players to come back. They’re either going through COVID rules and regulations having just come back from overseas or aren’t back yet, because they’re overseas still finishing up. So, not everybody has full strength teams. But right now, yeah, Chicago, Seattle, Dallas are going to be a team you need to look out for they had a great win the other night against LA, a bunch of young, young women, they’re just playing with so much energy and confidence I think. Yeah, they’re going to be a team to watch. People might not have picked up as a championship team, but one of those , I can’t remember what word I was looking for now. It’s just escaped. But anyway, watch out for them. My Indiana Fever, right now, they’ve, you know, obviously had a tough start to the season losing both games right now to the Liberty. They have a couple players to come back as well. So if they can get their team chemistry together, I think that’s going to be the big kind of key for them as getting that team of chemistry and working well together as a team. They are a team not to sleep on. They’re not projected to be in that championship round, but don’t sleep on them. I think that’s the thing with most teams are obviously in this league. It’s like, you can’t sleep on any team. Which is the fun part of it. But yeah, obviously Chicago, Seattle. Oh, and obviously Liberty. I mean, you know, I really haven’t given you an answer have I? I’ve just gone through everyone.

Kasey Symons  

I just have noticed though, that you haven’t really talked up the LA Sparks which are my team, so now I’m a bit worried.

Tully Bevilaqua  

Well, I haven’t seen, I need to see more of them. Obviously they had a regroup as well, multiple new players coming in and losing some key players. So, they’re another one of those teams that are in the you’re not sure what you’re going to get from them right now. To be continued. If you talk to everybody else, it’s like ‘Beat LA’. 

Kasey Symons  

I know I’m so marginalised.

Tully Bevilaqua  

Oh and Phoenix. I mean, I haven’t even mentioned Sandy’s team, Phoenix. Don’t count out Brondello and the Phoenix Mercury with Diana. So anything’s possible when you’ve got Diana in the team.

Kasey Symons  

Oh my god. Absolutely. I mean, going back to Sandy. She was an incredible guest on the first episode of your podcast too. It was so amazing to hear her in that kind of chat, just being so roar and so funny. She’s so funny.

Tully Bevilaqua  

And I swear she hasn’t lost the accent at all. I’m like, with all the time you’ve been away from home and your accent still, like, you know, ridgey didge. I keep getting told to stop speaking American. I’m like, I’m not, you know. And I’m like, Oh, shit. Oh, yeah, they kind of did sound a little. But I’ve messed up every, like, the kids go to school and I’ve probably messed up some of their scores, because I’ll be doing spelling. And you know, we have, we spell a few things differently. Or we say, and I’m like, ‘H’, and they’re like, what? Like ‘H’. And it’s like, just some different, some words that we just say differently. And I think I’ve just screwed him up at school completely. They say petrol. Yeah, they say petrol instead of gas sometimes, yeah.

Kasey Symons  

What was the word from the pod? Rollerblades? That’s the word to try and tell the accent? 

Tully Bevilaqua  

Yeah, well, so there’s a YouTuber, ‘How to Speak Australian’ But anyway, they use razor blades. What is it now? Something like razor blades? I don’t I can’t remember now but razor blade, yeah.

Kasey Symons  

I’ve never heard that before. I was like, that’s interesting. Yeah, well, it’s fun little tidbits for everyone who’s watching who needs to go listen to the podcast, because that’s kind of awesome content you’re going to get is some WNBA champions sitting around talking about who has the right accents. It’s hilarious

Tully Bevilaqua  

Oh, my gosh, but I need it. I was meant to come home for three months. And then my flight got canceled. Obviously restrictions, but part of the reason was to go and sit with my dad for three months, so I could really thicken up my accent because I can’t understand a word he says anymore because he’s such a bushy. He’s such a country bumpkin. But, I miss it. I do miss it. 

Kasey Symons  

Australia misses you too. Hopefully you’ll get back soon.

Tully Bevilaqua  

I did promise Loz I would come and try and get back to the East Coast as well.

Kasey Symons  

Yeah. You’ll have to hit us up so we can take you out for a drink in real life. 

Tully Bevilaqua  

Oh, for sure. Yeah. 

Kasey Symons  

Well, I won’t take up too much more of your time. But we want to know about Episode Two of the podcast ‘Laid Back with Tully and LJ’. So what’s the plans for the next episode?

Tully Bevilaqua  

Well, cross the fingers, assuming everybody’s schedules stay on par, we do have a podcast set to record in the very near future. So like I said, the hardest part is the scheduling for everybody. Because, I mean, with the WNBA, if we want someone that’s a current player, obviously, we’ve got to go through their schedule. If we want somebody that’s a non player, but coaching and all sorts of things and then obviously you’ve got Loz back in Australia and trying to work out timezones for everybody it’s just crazy. But we have a date before the end of the month. So, stay tuned. It should be more fun and laughter and laid backness and more wine and yeah.

Kasey Symons  

Well, I know now for when it drops to have a wine ready, so I can just sit back and enjoy.

Tully Bevilaqua  

But that’s what it’s all about. It’s like you’re with us having a conversation. 

Kasey Symons  

Yeah, that’s so good. Well done on it. Before we finish too, I just wanted to shout out to your co host who got an incredible achievement yesterday. Where were you when you heard the news and what were you feeling when Lauren Jackson was inducted to the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame?

Tully Bevilaqua  

I was commentating. And so I was getting some messages through the commentary. I mean, in my mind, it was given for me. It was never in doubt. I mean, but then when you and I mean, I can’t imagine, you know, when she finally, I don’t know when she was officially told but you know, to be officially told, and then everyone’s officially finding out is awesome. I mean, she has a 20 page, you Google her and like 20 pages comes up, just with all her achievements. I mean, you talk about someone that impacted the basketball world, internationally, obviously dominated in Australia, but then came to America, has dominated at every level. Changed the game in the WNBA. I mean, she literally changed the game, from traditional post players to a versatile post player. They can play inside and out. And it wasn’t until she came into league that I believe, you know, that changed. And you look at the teams now that are winning championships, everybody has like an LJ in their team. You know, like that stretch five, I call it the stretch five, although now I think I’m going to call it the LJ. So you know, everybody’s got the five player that can consistently knocked down the three, take it off the dribble, can act as a point guard if you need it, but dominates also down low. I mean, she just, you know, Lisa Leslie kind of was starting to shoot the three ball a little bit more before she retired. But it wasn’t obviously, to the extent of Loz. And Loz just took it to another level. So I think she changed, yeah, the face of basketball there back in her early days. God she looked so young when she started. You’re going to have to find some footage of it, but oh my god, yeah. I mean, we connected, probably more so, when we first started to really become good friends was in 2003, when we became teammates, in Seattle, because we’d only ever played against each other up until that point. And so then in 2003, we just like, hit it off and have been best mates ever since. And, you know, we had just, obviously with life and everything you kind of don’t hear from each other, see each other, because you all go off in your own different worlds. And she’s got kids, I got kids and but then we come back together again and it’s like, we haven’t skipped a beat. So, you know, it’s pretty awesome. Our friendship is pretty unique. So I love her. She’s awesome, deserving of that award. And, yeah, I’m so proud of her.

Kasey Symons  

Yeah, so beautiful. And I think that friendship just really comes through on this podcast that you’ve created. Because I think you’ve really created a space for you to catch up and have those chats that it probably maybe makes it a bit more accountable so you can actually have those catch ups that sometimes life gets in the way for, but now we all get to listen and hear and be part of it. So thank you for doing that for us basketball fans, who just want that little bit more. So cheers to you and Lauren for doing it. It’s awesome.

Tully Bevilaqua  

I appreciate that. Yeah, I mean, sometimes you don’t know if it’s gonna work or not. Like, you know, we didn’t know if this was just gonna be a once off. And it wouldn’t have bothered us if it didn’t evolve into a second one. And so, yeah, I’m just glad people enjoyed it. And you know, we’ll have a second one to follow up with and it shouldn’t disappoint with the guests we have lined up. So yeah.

Kasey Symons  

So excited. I’m looking forward to it. So thank you so much for your time Tully. All the best for the rest of the WNBA season. All the best with the podcast. All the best for everything that you’re doing. Just even in the pandemic is an achievement.

Tully Bevilaqua  

Oh, my God. I know there’s people out there who have way worse than I. So I am very thankful, obviously with what I have to have gotten through it and stuff. So I just, I always remind myself that, yeah, there’s people out there worse off for me, so I have nothing to complain about.

Kasey Symons  

That’s a really positive way to look at it. I think. Yeah, we’re all pretty grateful for what we have at the moment for sure. And I’m grateful that I could chat to you and start my day listening to your pearls of wisdom and having a laugh with you. So thank you for that because now I feel like I’m going to go attack my day with a bit more gusto, pep in my step. 

Tully Bevilaqua  

Awesome. Good. I’m gonna go and have a good sleep.


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